The Bible verses the Qur’an
~We do not serve the same God~
By: Odwar Abiero, Christian Pastor in Africa
Edited by Jack Heckathorne
I believe the Bible rather than the Qur’an because prophets in the Old Testament and apostle’s writings of the New Testament were no different in content even though their writings were not of the same period. Moses wrote five books of the Bible from 1500 BC and the New testament was written from 40-90 AD, but when you read the Bible, despite the differences, the writings remains the same eg: Psalms 119:105,2 Peter 1:19,2 Corinthians 6:17 and Genesis 1:2.
This shows that the prophets and apostles were inspired by the Holy Spirit as the Bible illustrates in the following texts: 2 Peter 1:9,Psalms 119:105,Romans 15:4,John 20:31,1 Corinthians 2:10,11,2 Peter 1:4,Psalms 119:11,1 John 2:14,Matt 4:4,1 Peter 2:2, Matt 22:29,Acts 17:10,11,John 7:17,Luke 11:28 and 1 John 1:7.
This is contrary to the Qur’an, because their apostles and prophets are not well understood as to where and when they got their call and message. Even their life history is not well known and this is why we cannot believe their Qur’an.
The Bible tells the full history of Jesus as we read in the Bible: Psalm 72:12,Isaiah 53:7,John 1:1-14,Isaiah 40:3,Titus 2:13,John 14:1-3,Acts 1:9,Acts 1:10,11,Rev 1:7,John 3:16, but the Qur’an tells differently, that Jesus is Issa which is not true. Even the family of Jesus Christ in the Bible is quite different with that in the the Qur’an. The Qur’an tells that the grandfather of Issa is Amram (Qur’an 66:12) the same Imram is Haroun’s brother which is contradicting.
John 19:25 is where we find the family of Jesus Christ clearly and the family of Jesus’s mother in the book of Mark 6:3-4. How did Haroun become the brother to Jesus’ mother (Mary) if there are1500 years between the birth of Amram, the father of Moses, and Miriam to the birth of Jesus Christ? This is marvelous.
In Numbers 26:59 Mary, Jesus mother, is coming from Jude, not from Amram the son of Levi (Matt 1:1). Jesus is son of David (Mark 10:47, Luke 1:27-32).
In the Bible the gospel was brought to the world by Jesus Christ while the Qur’an 19:33 and 61:6 claims that Issa taught gospel to nobody from nowhere. The Issa of Qur’an has no prophecy telling of his existence in this world. The Bible says that every eye will see Jesus in his second coming Rev 1:7 but the Qur’an says that Issa will appear at Syria in his second coming.
Qur’an 5:82 tells that the great Muslims are the enemy of Jews, why then, in the Qur’an 16:43 they were told that when they don’t understand the Qur’an they should go ask from Jews and Christians those who knew the word before them? Are the Jews and Christians the ones who are to teach the Muslims the Qur’an?
How did Issa, (supposedly Jesus) who is a Jew, manage to become their apostle while the Jews are their great enemy? I think that it might be that Qur’an was copied from the Bible. Nevertheless, the Bible warned us regarding the false prophets in (Ezekiel 13:3,6,7) and Jesus warned us of turning back to other gospels rather than Bible (Galatians 1:6.) Also, Paul warned of the false Jesus Christ who could be preached.
(2 Corinthians 11:4.)
Could I appeal to Muslims to read again the Qur’an and Bible that they may understand who Jesus is. God cannot allow a person to kill or to revenge but to forgive, it is only the devil that kills and takes revenge through people.
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (John 8:44)
“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.”
(Romans 12:19-21)
Otherwise they may feel that they are saved by GOD, but SATAN has deceived them.
You don't have a clue about the pre-calvary and post calvary impact of Christ.
YHM in human form pre-calvary and in divine form post calvary.
muhammid was not in O.T. either;
you just arabinize macham/machmoud (desirable one).
You are wrong about Paul leading a political movement,
that's actually what muhammed did..
Greetings Gentlemen,
HowJesus was conceived.
Quran 21:91
And (mention ) the one who guarded her chastity (Virgin Mary )
So We blew into her (garment ) through our angel (Gabriel )
And We made her a son a sign for this world.
What is your equivalent? No pornography please.
Greetings,
Luke 1:35; "the Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will
overshadow you".
Gabriel had said these words to Mary.
An Angel has the spirit of holiness but can't be the Ruach YHWH.
An Angel has the spirit of holiness but can't be the Ruach YHWH.
Agreed.
Angels are spirits (ruh ) and Gabriel an angel of high ranking is a spirit of God's creation.Gabriel is Ruh Qudus-Holy Spirit SENT by God to Mary.
Gabriel the( Holy Spirit ) Ruh Qudus or Ruh Ameen (Trustworthy spirit ) is a servant of God
Mr. Othman,
You can't accept a human being equal to YHWH but according the quran an angel can be the holy spirit which is a contamination.
The only expression of YHWH in angelic form is the Malak YHWH.
That Holy Spirit ( Ruh Al Qudus ) is also called Trusted Messenger( Ruh Al Ameen ).He is an angel not a God.He is named such because of his high ranking amongst the spirits (Ruh ), the angels.
So what contamination.?
Your Holy Spirit is god incarnate into a spirit.That is blasphemy and contamination because God does
not degrade Himself into anything He Created.He does not sully Himself into humans.
High ranking among the spirits, the angels?
According to the jewish ranking the seraphim and the cherubim rank above the Archangels.
Lucifer had the highest ranking of created angels, the position that Michael holds now.
Your spirit of holiness and the trusted messenger can't be number ones in angels/spirits.
The Highest rankings are always for YHWH's expressions in Spirit, Angel and Human form:
Ruach YHWH, Malak YHWH and YHM.
Concerning creation; you got it the other way around; YHWH's expressions are the prototypes
for ALL CREATION, (or do you really believe that the priesthood was just a human institution?)
The degrading was done by mankind by sinning, so the enemy wants to keep the distance between
cultural, folkloric and traditional religions and the real living faith relationship with YHWH in Spirit and Truth in YHM through the Ruach under the Kabod.
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Seeing all organised religions in the world nowadays, he is doing an effective job,
he is satisfied with your blasphemy and contamination interpretations because
they will keep you away from the Living YHWH, but that's your responsibility of course!
You can flee from YHWH's Love, but you can't escape His justice.
good luck to you, you'll need it.
Are Protestanism and Catholicsm organised religions within Christianity.?
Quran: 5 :14
From those , too , who call
Themselves Christians
We did take a Covenant
But they forgot a good part
Of the Message that was
Sent them: so We stirred up
Enmity and hatred
Between the one and the other,
To the Day of Judgment,
And soon will Allah show
Them what it is
They have done
Is your ruach under kabod indwelling a denomination attempting
to unite these organised religions against the Quranic prophesy?
The quran text can not refer to protestantism (started 900 years later).
but there were already divisions from the very start,
organised religion are within christianity, judaism, islam, hinduism,buddhism etc.
it is all human work and it willl not stand the fire of YHWH's testing.
The real Qahal YHWH is not a denomination, for it is not a human organisation and
It goes against all false religion(s).
Another faulty texts: 'we stirred up enmity and hatred" where contention will do the job.
"between one and the other to the day of judgment" is eschatological incorrect.
Mr Christos,
Quran , the Words of God refers to the past, current and future.
Catholics believing they are Christians and Protestants also believing they are Christians
fought wars after wars–100 years war and various other wars in Europe;in Northern Island etc.The enmity even spilled to Asia and the Americas.There were killings.
They were not mere 'contentions' they were enmity and hatreds.' iNTENSE' hatred until kingdom come.
As before you tend to use your belief as yardstick and in this case your eschatological one..Quran is Quran it does not depend on others.
Bible the WORD of YHWH refers to past, present and future.
the quran is not that prophetic; your comment is in-reading.
yes, there have been wars between catholics and protestants,
but that was not the case during the first centuries of christianity.
hatred and enmity are in all existing religions that is why the great
deceiver will get rid of all the religions because they are a source
of contention and are going to be more a problem than a solution.
the quran depends on nothing therefor it can not be trusted.
it does not have any real eschatology so it is a time-frozen book.
Unitarian vs Pauline–there were killings and exterminations.
Also you said "the quran depends on nothing therefor it can not be trusted.
it does not have any real eschatology so it is a time-frozen book "
Any proof, Mr Christos?
Proof? too many followers of islam are still in a 7 th century mode,
quran has some general eschatological statements and so does
the Bible, difference the latter has many specific ones.
Bible verses that have not been contaminated refers to past, present and future.Those that have been, contradict themselves and far from referring to the truth on past, present or future,
Actually you can not really differentiate concerning bible verses
without the Spirit it does not work.
so what is contaminated according to you?
the quran has more errors than the Bible.
Mr Christos,
It's the same thing–you shy away from giving evidence.You make generalised statements.
Same thing; you avoid commenting the real comments.
Quran 2:113
وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ لَيْسَتِ النَّصَـرَى عَلَى شَىْءٍ وَقَالَتِ النَّصَـرَى لَيْسَتِ الْيَهُودُ عَلَى
شَىْءٍ وَهُمْ يَتْلُونَ الْكِتَـبَ﴾
The Jews said that the Christians follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); and the Christians said that the Jews follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); though they both recite the Scripture. )'
One can recite scripture but with different prospectives, insights and interpretations.
humans make mistakes in all aspects, so certainly in hermeneutics & exegesis.
I wrote you many times before about the right way, truth and life (right religion does not exist)
if you want to ignore it all, than that is your prerogative.
greetings
In plain language, the Jews believe in Old Testaments but did not believe in Jesus and Paul whereas the Christians believe in Old Testaments of the Jews and believe in Jesus and Paul.
Therefore differentiating factor is belief in Jesus and Paul.This is not difference in prospectives , insights , interpretations , hermeneutics nor exegesis.They are different beliefs altogether.Am I right?
In a way you are right; judaism differs from christianity; different beliefs,
though within both religions are many differences in what i have stated earlier.
Mr Christos,
You said
"YHM in human form pre-calvary and in divine form post calvary.
muhammid was not in O.T. either;
you just arabinize macham/machmoud (desirable one). "
If Jesus(Pbuh) or somebody else(Paul? ) was the "desirable one,do they fit in into the criteria mentioned by Moses (Pbuh )?
The Song of Solomon does not refer to any prophet.
the only desirable is YHWH in form of YHM.
Does YHM fits into those criteria ?
Do you think it is really about someone in specific?
if it is YHM fits the criteria.
Yes, As indicated by Moses (pbuh )
and Jesus (pbuh ) did not fit the criteria.
Since Muhammad's (pbuh ) name was mentioned and he fiitted into
the criteria–who else? certainly not Saul.
YHM does fit the criteria, muhammed does not.
The Song of Solomon is not specific about a future prophet,
it is describing a bride awaiting her groom.
picture of YHM and his Qahal.
What happened to hermeneutic and exegetic meaning ? Surely A great Book like Zaboor (Psalms ) does not simply tell about ordinary events.It is not an ordinary Book.
Ketuvim (Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon) are (in
general) written in human perspective especially the parts of Song of Solomon.
but i gave a future prospective (YHM and the Qahal).
Tehilim (Psalms) has mory variety indeed.
The fact is it was mentioned Mohammadim; left to exegesis and interpretations with various meanings and interpolations.It did not come from thin air.
The fact is that mohammadim can not be reconciled with mohammed semantically.
Nor alah with allah or even with
yeshua and yeshuah which do appear both in the Bible, one will still come up with different meanings.
That is your opinion .YOU cannot reconcile.Many others can, including a Jewish man who reverted to Islam, in Sarawak, East Malaysia. a year ago.
It is your opinion too dear Othman,
one can of course "reconcile" in any way one likes to do,
though it would/will not be according to the real truth.
Any Jew converting to any religion can give an alternative
interpretation according to his/her new religion.
Still it won't be through the Holy Spirit.
Ignore the facts and the facts will ignore you.
Greetings Mr Christos,
Unitarianism differs from Arianism as
Paulinianism from Peterianism.
Care to tell what the differences are?
Mr Christos,
The all powerful YHWH (GOD ) according to you expresses Himself in human form,What else did HE
expresses Himself?
Mr. Othman,
the Biblical expressions of IHVH (YHWH);
YAH, Yehoshuwa, Ruach, Malak, Kabod,
Sar, Cohen and Nephesh.
Expressions or incarnations or change to?
Expressions
not incarnation nor change to.
Allah is arabian for god so what it is just a title just
like elohim.
muhammed is not really in the Bible that's inreading
it could be other Hebrew word but TO US and many Jews and Christians who reverted to Islam, it is Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him
Not the wrong verse; the extremists use this version to
justify torture and murder in name of islam.
I expected you to do better rather quoting them.
If you are not aware of the tayiqa and the rants of the islamo-facist extremists than you are living in an islamic bubble.
The ammadiya use their own version of the quran and taqiya.
You are a Unitarainian cum Pauline ?
Do i sound unitarian?
How can you salute and salute a dead prophet?
If texts of the quran rsult in prejuidice it becomes a reason to ignore; you can't be serious
that this is suppose to be religion.
Actually muslims are the only ones who are not free to make a different choice
because leaving islam is punishable by death.
Mr God fear,
Again I request your Pakistani friend to communicate with me.
Mr Godfear,
The keyword is covenant with God i.e.not to do mischief and become tyrants.That is also APPLICABLE to Muslims who have been given a Book, the Quran.They will also be punished if they do not carry out what God wants them to do.
It is not relevant what will happen to the wordly jews,
the real believers consist of the real Jews (God-praisers) and converted gentiles (real non-jews) and
the diaspora (mixture).
The O.T. promises will be fulfilled in the Millennium.
The original Torah promises will be fulfilled but we do not the time nor the hour–it is God's.
What we know is if the real Jews( those that follow the Torah ) abstain from telling the secular Jews their wrong doings–ALL will suffer the same fate in this world.That goes for Muslims too.If tyrants,adulterers, riba ( money interest practioners)amongst them are not stopped from their sins–ALL will suffer same fate in this world.
Actually we do know the time of the fulfillment of
the promises; when YHM will be reigning from
Jerusalem,
And yes; YHWH will take care of the evildoers.
My dear Stratiotes Christos
Did Jesus ever called Almighty Creator as YHWH ?
What is the true difference between an Old Testament and the new one?
The difference is (between) life and death; under the old testament everybody would be
executed, under the new testament everybody has a chance by grace through faith,
because Yehoshuva ha Mashiach fulfilled the old testament and established the new one.
That's interesting.Why would everybody be executed?
Under the old testament everybody is/was guilty.
Under the new testament there is grace by faith.
Thank you.
Please show me the verses on
;Under the old testament everybody is/was guilty.
and Under the new testament there is grace by faith.
Ben, It's there. In every book of the bible Jesus is named. 66 books, 44 writers. Every book has Jesus in it.
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
The Law was a trainer for us, it was also the Judge of your sin, if you try to live by it, your guilty of it all. Look at the Law as a wall, if you break on part of it, the wall comes down on you. Or as a tape race winners run though, when they break it, the break the whole thing.
Jesus Christ at the point you accept salvation, buys you out of the judgment, slave market of sin, and puts you in HIS family. Forever. If you could ever lose this then that would mean 1. God/Jesus was a liar. 2. Jesus would have to come back each time you lost salvation and die again giving you a new salvation. SALVATION is a ONCE and FOR ALL thing.
ALL of your sins have been paid for by Jesus. Either you will accept his work on the cross or you reject him. You will not go to hell for what sin you have done, you will go to hell on your own free will because you have made the choice to reject Jesus' work on the cross. Rejecting your pardon for sin.
Think of it as your in the electric chair. They are about to kill you. The Governor calls in and grants you pardon, but instead of accepting the pardon because you don't want to live by the rules of the Governor in that state, you say, throw the switch I'd rather die than live by your rules.
Ben, you have been on here a long time debating the issue of Jesus. It's clear Jesus wants you to accept. Otherwise he would not bring you here to learn. God/Jesus controls history, including making sure you hear the Gospel. The issue for you is to accept. You need to accept it now, because we are so short on time. You do not have a long time to debate, accept Jesus now and watch for yourself your spirit become alive. See for yourself the Holy Spirit setup the temple inside you and dwell within you.
I can tell you this, You have nothing to lose, everything to gain. With full acceptance and faith, Accept what Jesus did for you on the cross and watch your life change in ways you never though possible.
My God is real, Jesus Christ is Alive sitting at the right hand of the father, soon to make his return for his bride (all believers to be removed) to poor out wrath on the earth. YOU don't want to be here for that!
Try it, what do you have to lose? I know your questioning your own religion, else you would not be here asking questions. Jesus has guided you here to learn about him. You know full well Islam is a religion of hate, death. Being a Christian we are commanded to LOVE, forgive as Christ forgave us.
I can promise you Ben, if you do fully do and accept Jesus, your life will change in ways you will always be thankful for and you will feel God's love on you, you won't feel separated from him anymore you will feel connected to him. Because you will then be a Child of God, and if God did this much for you while you hate him, picture what God will do for you if you are his Child!!!
I'm praying for you Ben.
Romans 3:23: all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Romans 3:21-22: But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law and the prophets bear witness to it, through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.
Please explained to us why Jesus mentioned the following:
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Believing in Jesus won't get you to heaven?
Mr Godfear.
Thank you.I pray for you too
Mr Godfear,
I accept Jesus as a Great Prophet.Isa ibn Maryam ( Alayhisalam.) He is not dead which is a miracle ,so is the miracle of his birth without a father.
Ben,
Is was a teacher, The Teacher, Jesus said He and the Father are one. Jesus is named in every book of the Bible. Jesus is the center, Jesus said no one will enter the kingdom of heaven except though him. Now, either Jesus was a liar or Jesus was saying the truth. In the Quran by what it teaches it says the bible and everything we know for a fact that Jesus said was a lie. How do you get around that?
His birth was a Miracle, as he had no earthly father, but even his legal earthly father was of the line of David, and Mary was as well. Making Jesus of the Royal Line/Family to be KING.
When God rules earth for the 1000 year reign, it will be Jesus who you see at the top. When you go to judgment it will be Jesus standing before you as your judge. Every knee will bow to Jesus.
But Jesus did have a father, GOD was his father, The Holy Spirit was what made Jesus. And because of it, Jesus was God AND Jesus was FULL humanity.
God is perfect, God is what makes Jesus perfect and sinless. Jesus' humanity is what makes him a lamb. Able to pay for sin. When Jesus died he did so not because anyone forced him, but because he chose to do so. He said this very clearly. Jesus said HE gives up his life.
Jesus paid the price for ALL sin. You must take his pardon or by the rejection of this pardon you will be sent to death at the 2nd judgment.
All men must face death once, but not all men will face death twice. (cast in to the lake of fire at judgment)
It is very easy to point out how the Islam religion is false according to Jesus and what Jesus taught. You need to see this. Jesus is the messiah! Jesus is LORD! King of Kings, Lord of Lords. The Almighty.
Mr Godfear,
1.) Jesus (pbuh ) is a great Prophet and Prophets do not lie.Quran has never said he lied.Only those who falsely interpret what Jesus said , lied .The people, the Pauline interpreters lied and fabricated stories about Jesus's godliness.
2.He is a leader of his people-the lost sheep of Israel
3.God has no son-otherwise He is a creation not the Creator.
4.Jesus fought and sacrificed for his people-the Jews.He wanted them to follow the straight path, not the path fabricated by the priests/rabbis.
5.Jesus did not die.
6.Only God Almighty can pardon my sins-not a human like Jesus (pbuh ) nor Muhammad (pbuh )
7There is Judgement Day after death in this world.
8.Jesus is the messiah–the anointed one-the chosen prophet.Christ means king–Muslims are christians too–followers of the king.we follow and respect Jesus as well as Moses,David, Solomon and Muhammad ( Peace be upon them all )
Thank You.
1) Who falsely interpret what Jesus said? Who is doing the false interpreting? And you say Paul one of the main men of the Bible NT was a liar? fabricated stories? The people that hated Jesus made up stories about him rising after death the very thing they didn't want him to do? Sure I could understand how maybe one or two people could lie, but how do you get hundreds of people many of whom did not like Jesus to lie for him?
The problem you have is out side the Bible even Jesus is the most documented person on earth. More is known about Jesus than any other person on earth. We know less about Julius Caesars, or any Roman leader, we know less about alexander the great or any one else you can name in history including Muhammad. We know far more what Jesus said in truth than what Muhammad ever said.
You don't find it funny that here is the Christian faith, the hundred of years later comes along Muhammad (after the prophets are over) and basically Muhammad comes out saying the Christians have it all wrong?
Who would you trust Muhammad or the people who was with Jesus? This is very simple to see. I think it's far wiser to take the view on the ones who was with Jesus. Let's also remember they never knew who Muhammad ever was.
Jesus had purpose for being here. He is the Messiah (who you even agree) Christ means Messiah! Muslims are Christians too? If this is so, why the hate of Israel? Jesus/God the only true God is the God of Israel!
Judgment comes after the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ at the final judgment. Which if you have rejected Jesus you will be cast into the lake of fire. You can not server two masters. You can not serve Jesus and Allah they are not the same.
Jesus is God, no one lied about what Jesus said, if you believe that then you are calling EVERY BOOK in the BIBLE a LIAR. Every book of the bible calls Jesus God.
Now is it you can just say the paullines lied, did they change the whole bible? which is it? is the bible truth or false? See my point The bible is either completely truth or completely false.
Mr Godfear,
1) Jesus' godliness was fabricated.Christendom was split asunder and only the interference of a pagan Roman Emperor in Nicea circa 360 BC. decided victory to Pauline's concept of making a human messenger of God, a god.The numerous opponents to the Pauline camp-were against this lie With Roman military power on their side , the Pauline Christians had the upper hand and those who did not believe the fabrications suffered and the lie continued.
2) Being most documented does not make Jesus (pbuh ) a God. Adolf Hitler' s life was also much documented.
3) I would thought it very funny for Muhammad (pbuh ) to come after 3oo years later and said that Pauline Christians got it wrong basing on his own limited knowledge,His assessment on the Pauline's fabrications came from God and then it is no longer funny but a tragedy for mankind that a big lie on Jesus is perpetuated to this day.
1. Fabricated, are you sure that was the only thing fabricated? Well one there was no "Christendom" before christ was on earth. and you believe a pagan roman emperor made up Jesus as God? 360 years before anyone knew anything about a Jesus Messiah coming to earth? Thats really out there.
What I can believe is that 600 or so years after Christ a false prophet came, setup his own religion that in ways mimics the Christian faith but flips everything around. In an order to put the Arabs as the children of God rather than the Jews. That's the truth of it. The Arabs CAN become children of God, but they are far to busy dreaming up ways to kill off the Jews for whatever the reason of the week is.
No body is even sure where or exactly how Adolf Hitler died. There is a lot of stuff missing that we simply do not know about Adolf Hitler. Jesus on the other hand we know far more about than any other person in history.
comparing Jesus to Adolf Hitler wasn't quite what I would call nice. But I would remind you Adolf Hitler and Mohammad did have something in common. HATE FOR THE JEWS. I could name quite a few people in history that was completely evil that all wanted to kill off the Jews for one reason or another. That's something you should at least consider. But you have dodged the question of why Islam hates the Jews so much I don't expect you would take a look into the fact anyway. But I digress
What exactly about Paul do you hate so much? Have you ever personally read his writings? Why do you only hate Paul and not the other 43 writers of the bible? What did Paul say that was so bad to you?
Paul isn't the only one who called Jesus God. 44 writers of 66 books of the bible all called Jesus God.
The problem with the bible is each book connects to all the others. Over thousands of years, 44 writers in 66 books that all connect and agree with each other perfect. Everything paul taught, agrees with everything else in the bible.
So if you have a problem with one writer, you have a problem with the whole book.
Least we forget, Everything Mohammad learned about Jesus he learned from the Bible. Not from being there. It's not very hard to see someone who hates the jews wants to make a religion of hate towards the jews. Yes it's covered in a bunch of pretty words, but again Hitlers plan was hidden till the middle of it, while the people of Germany all though they was the master race.
The problem is we have only started to see the hints of the hate inside islam for the Jews and Israel. You have spewed some of it already here. But you have no backing for any of it. None what so ever.
One day you will see the full hate of Islam come out towards Israel. It's really sad that the complete armies of the Islamic confederation will be completely destroyed simply because they hate the true God and have fallen for a false religion.
You will see this most likely in your life time. You will see the true God of Israel defend the Nation of Israel, because out of the whole world God gave man everything else, but Israel belongs to God.
You see a trend here? God has one small (very small) track of land with a very small number of people, the world has the rest. The true God in Genesis said anyone who curses Israel will be cursed, anyone who blesses Israel will be blessed.
There is only ONE source of Hate on this planet. Non-forgiving, pure hate power. And that's from the Devil. Satan. Love comes from God. God is love.
Now you tell me who's God is real? Your false god who hates the one people of God or My God, the God of Israel who will defend her right before you eyes. Like he's done for over 60 plus wars out numbered yet Israel still stands since Israel's rebirth.
Anyone who really looks into the wars Israel has defended her self from, one would ask, How in the heck did they do it. The power isn't with the Jews themselves because they are under discipline still. God is defending Israel for HIS name sake. The Jews 144,000 of them will turn to God after the rapture.
All these things going on in the world today, is part of the start of the end. Egypt burns today because they want Egypt to break peace with Israel, and stand against her. The Muslim Brotherhood has stated this very clearly, they want war with Israel. Oh and they will get it, but the out come won't be what they expect.
I mean for crying out loud, you'd think the Arabs would get it, see God defending Israel and back off. But that's the thing about Hate, it's a crazy driving force that consumes you until there is nothing left and satan is in full control.
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4) Paul was never with Jesus,Joseph Barnabas was.I don't trust either ,I trust God and what God say about Jesus (pbuh ) in the Quran.
5) The illegal zionist state of Israel is–illegal.Most people dislike other people getting things unjustly e.g by robbing and cheating and then killing.That is what the zionist did and on that basis hatred for them is justified Jesus is the leader of the lost flock of Israel.
6) I am a happy slave to Allah, the prophets Noah,Moses,Jesus and Muhammad are all happy slaves of Allah.Allah is the supreme Master, Provider of sustenance.
7) The Bible is a REPORT on what Jesus and the other prophets said.Some of the reports are genuine while some are fabrications.
8) We do not have the original Bible but the original messages are in the Quran.What contradict the Quran are the ones fabricated.
The problem is that people who haven't experienced the godliness of Christ want to impose
their lack as a criteria. thus if you haven't a personal relationship with YHWH in YHM through
the YHWH Ruach surrounded by the Malak YHWH under the kabod YHWH, you are in the dark.
Scripture: Isa 44:6- Re 1:8/1:17 The First the Last:YHWH/YHM.
Mr. Othman,
i know i can, but is to no avail; for most people it is fiction, many can see the realistic consequences, but few can recognise the spiritual realities of what is written.
Only the YHWH Ruach can really convince people, plus if you are not drawn by Iehoshuva
Ha Mashiach you can not come to YHWH (IHVH).
I find that funny, you see the bible speaks of this
1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
and
Titus 3:3-8 3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
Amen!
People got to be reborn otherwise they can not enter the kingdom of heaven/God.
Mr Godfear,
Others may have the spirit, the experience, reborn but I have the Quran and the Traditions of Muhammad (Pbuh ).These 2 sources guides my beliefs and my deeds respectively and they are not mutually exclusive. Islam is a practical religion.
Your choice mr. Othman,
You can have the quran and the traditions of muhammed but are they the truth?
One can be guided by many things, but guided towards what end?
Islam is actually a political, religious, judiscial, social traditional system,
not a real religion, as said before religion in itself is not enough.
Real relationship with YHWH is.
Quran is just an angelical report, the Bible contains the holy scriptures, but without the diacrisis of
God's Spirit you can't really understand these scriptures.
To be a slave of allah, a servant of elohim, a child of god, it is not enough and never will be,
you got to be part of the Q Y. in faith by word and spirit.
Israel was never illegal, the balfour treaty provided the jews with what they have now, the palestinian
state is Jordan. the arabs rejected israel and fought wars in order to destroy it.
people who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it (santilyana).
Iran and several arab nations are gearing up to annihilate the jews, bad idea; because if it would turn out succesfully, Israel will use the Samson-option; Mecca, tehran and all major arab capitals will be history. but it will come to pass as the Bible predicts: Russia, EU, China, India & all muslim
nations will be trampled in the wine-press of YHWH's wrath (Eze 38-39, Re 14 &19).
Mr Christos,
You can be a popular fiction writer.
I find that funny, you see the bible speaks of this
1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
and
Titus 3:3-8 3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.
What you call fiction is prophesy, the Bible is 1/3 prophecy and it will all come true no matter
what people say, think or do.
Mr Christos,
You said "Islam is actually a political, religious, judiscial, social traditional system, not a real religion."
To us, Islam is syumul– a complete way of life,it relates to human's relationship to God AND His other Creations.
No, islam is a incomplete way of existence and it is pure human work trying to establish salvation
by own works by-passing Christ.
The ultimate goal of islam is the worldwide umma, which will never happen because the great
deceiver will dominate first, than the Kahal of IHVH will reign for a thousand years, after that the
last war followed by the destruction of heaven and earth.
My dear Stratiotes Christos.
Please explain to me why Jesus mentioned the following to satan?
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'"
Why didn't Jesus asked Satan to worship him?
Satan must be better than Christian because Christian pray and serve a man by the name of Jesus.
Deuteronomy 10:20 Fear the LORD your God and serve him. Hold fast to him and take your oaths in his name.
Ben
Take a look at this…
http://www.gjcn.org/2011/02/why-did-jesus-die/
Mr Godfear,
Thank You for the article and I have read it.It reminds me of some Muslim
Sufis' talk on spritualism .I much prefer what the Quran and Sunnah say about
man's relationship with God. on -the subject of sin, death and punishment./rewards,
heavens etc.
Judaism and islam are about human controll; they give the perception that one can earn his salvation in a human way. if that was true, the life, dead and resurrection of Christ were not necessary, but seeing the fact that all humans are imperfect, it was really necessary for IHVH
to come down in human form to fullfill it all in YHM.