This an arraignment to formally enter Terry’s plea. The hearing will last no longer than 30 minutes. This hearing precedes the formal courts martial which has not yet been scheduled.
This is a pubic hearing. However, there are established protocols and standards for behavior. Please read the following paragraphs carefully if you are planning to attend the hearing:
Courts martial are public hearings, and by law and custom all are welcomed to attend any proceeding. However, the rules for courts martial require strict formality during all proceedings, and prohibit among other things, reading, gum chewing, making any kind of noise, contacting the judge in any way and generally preclude any disruption or demonstration of any kind, either of support or of opposition to the court’s rulings.
We encourage LTC Lakin’s supporters to attend the hearing August 6th as well as all future hearings. While LTC Lakin would be pleased to meet and greet supporters afterwards, it is of the utmost importance that spectators show respect for the process and the court itself. The judge in this case is his superior officer, and if you attend the hearing you will see LTC Lakin accord her the deference and courtesy that all good soldiers show their superiors.
The best way to demonstrate support for LTC Lakin if you are attending is to pray for him, and after the hearing to speak with him. Demonstrations of any other kind are inappropriate, and will not be tolerated by the court. LTC Lakin’s reputation in the Army is of a good, even exemplary, soldier who has always shown his superior officers the respect and courtesy their rank and position demand. Please follow his example in the court room Friday and strictly observe the rules of decorum.
Location:
Ft. Belvoir, VA ( http://www.belvoir.army.mil )
SJA/ Legal Assistance Office
9910 Lowen Rd.
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Ft. Belvoir, VA 22060
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Time: Friday at 11:00 am
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You raise an interesting question when you that “LTC Lakin’s reputation in the Army is of a good, even exemplary, soldier who has always shown his superior officers the respect and courtesy their rank and position demand.”
And yet he finds himself being court-martialed for failing to obey orders, and it’s not like the orders he disobeyed came directly from the purported Commander-in-Chief; they came from just the “superior officers” you’re speaking of.
How is the defense going to argue that certain superior officers must be obeyed but others must not? And that certain orders must be obeyed but the ones he disobeyed must not? If he’s right, and Obama’s ineligibility invalidates the entire chain of command, wouldn’t that mean that it’s illegal to obey any orders, since they’re all invalid?
I am only reporting on the story, this isn't GJCN commentary. You would need to visit http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com and ask them.
But to answer your question, The US Military answer and follow the command of the civilian control. That civilian control is headed up by the Commander-in-Chief. Any order given to a military person is an order from the Commander-in-Chief. Anything that a military person does like deploy orders is under direct order from the people of the USA and God.
So if we have a Commander-in-Chief with investigations and huge questions regarding his authority to be in office along with his credentials this could make any military person question should they be following orders. Because the military is our last line of defense should someone take over. We the people depend upon the US military to defend us from foreign and domestic attackers. And should Obama be found not to have the credentials that would mean we have a foreign man as the Commander-in-Chief of the military. I'm sure you could see how this could be a very very big issue and should not be taken lightly.
So yes, in my view it's not something to be taken lightly and should have the full weight of the people behind it (rather you like him or not every American should have proof). In my book if Obama has nothing to hide, why has he spent over a million dollars to seal it up? He is a public servant when he took office, to seal up records and play the smoke and mirrors game is in itself completely wrong if not in itself treason.
In theory, as soon as the question was raised all military persons should of halted and the top generals should of put forth the question and solved it right away. The fact it is unresolved is a very scary situation for this nation.
“In theory, as soon as the question was raised all military persons should of halted and the top generals should of put forth the question and solved it right away.”
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Yes, that’s just what my fear is — that all it takes is for a question to be raised and the entire military chain of command is thrown into chaos. We’re fighting two wars — it’s inconceivable that all of our men and women in uniform have to drop their weapons just because someone raised a question. Not all questions are valid, you know. How do you know this one has enough credible evidence behind it to justify suspending all our military activity? And who should have the power to make that judgment?
That’s why we have the “de facto officer doctrine.” Look it up. It’s a well accepted part of our legal system and it insures that orders will continue to be obeyed — even if someone in the chain of command doesn’t belong there.
Our legal system has provisions for punishing criminal activity, as well as for removing federal officers if they are guilty of certain offenses. Nowhere does the Constitution or any other law give individuals in the military the right to disobey an otherwise legal order. The fact that someone raised a question doesn’t come close to a legal defense.
Valid fear/question. However you'd have to agree that knowing the legit president in office is a good thing to know right?
Because if it was taken over by a foreign that could turn into a dictatorship in a matter of weeks if left unchecked. Any crime against the constitution i believe should be investigated. Both Bush jr. and Obama should have investigations into the giving away of tax dollars in the form of bailouts to private companies. As far as I'm concerned all business large or small need to be playing by the same level playing field. If a SBA loan can't solve your problem, then it shouldn't be done. If you can't get private investors to bail you out, WHY the heck would you force the American People to do it?
You see, this alone should be enough to impeach Obama and Bush jr. for that matter.
It's a matter of if our leaders are following the constitution or not. If they are not, then we have a HUGE problem. If we just over look it and don't answer serious questions, we ourselves are guilty of treason against the USA.
I'm not calling for a suspending of all military activity, I'm saying the top generals should put some feet to the fire and see what doesn't burn up. This after all is how God will judge our own works.
Obama paying over a million dollars (i don't even know what the total is now, last i checked was over 1.5m) to seal up records, you know something is funny. To me, that alone gives reason to believe something is wrong.
These people work for the American people, the American People have a right to demand proof for anything from the government. The government can not take the stand of "go away kids", the government is for the people, by the people. Americans have just been lazy in taking up the issues. I think we will see major things taking place come November.
“Obama paying over a million dollars (i don’t even know what the total is now, last i checked was over 1.5m) to seal up records, you know something is funny. To me, that alone gives reason to believe something is wrong.”
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Well, that raises a good example. Do you think that you have solid evidence to back up that 1.5 million dollar figure? I’ve checked, and it seems to me to be just another internet rumor. If you have solid evidence, I’d love to see it — remember, we’re talking about evidence strong enough to put the military on hold! You must have something pretty solid, yes?
“I’m saying the top generals should put some feet to the fire.”
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That’s scary too. I thought you believed in civilian control of the military.
You know, you are right to say that it’s very scary to think of the presidency being taken over by a foreigner. You know what else is scary? What if the president has a computer chip implanted in his brain and he’s taking orders from the North Koreans? That’s about the worst thing that could happen. Why doesn’t he show us a brain scan to prove that’s not the case?
You see what I’m saying? Just because something is scary doesn’t mean it’s true. You need solid evidence, and you can start out with the solid evidence for that 1.5 million, and then go on to connect that to solid evidence about presidential ineligibility.
Look at it this way. You happen to agree with those asking the questions this time. But what about next time, when the military stops operating over a question that you disagree with?
That’s why we have a legal system. That’s why we don’t have individual soldiers deciding which orders to obey and why we don’t have generals holding people’s feet to fires.
I understand what your saying, I'm not saying the military should be put on "hold", it could be, should something come of it, and they very well might have to take place. I don't know, not my area to say.
I'm not sure if you have followed any of the news and I'm not talking about MSM because they have proven to be Government Media for quite some time now. Since Bush Sr. I believe, this hasn't come since just Obama..
What about the questions this website puts up http://www.conservapedia.com/Obama_birth_certific…
And it seems there is a $25 million dollar reward for Obama's birth cert. Heck you think Obama would give it up for that huh? http://www.rewardforobamasbirthcertificate.com/
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/25-million-…
Check out some of the links of the news they have there. You might find some of it interesting. If you are an Obama supporter and it kind of sounds like you are, and hey that's fine that's your choice, But this thing is not about party lines and as well it should not be. I supported Bush Jr and when I saw the huge mistakes he was making, I was calling for the very same impeachment of Bush as I do for Obama now. And will do for any President that stomps on the constitution! All Americans should unite under this idea.
The idea of voting a man to office then the people unite is a great one. The people select a man for office, it's voted on, then the people unite for him. Hey the choice is made, now let's go, so to speak. However, the last time that kind of thing happened was Reagan. Since division has taken hold.
This government wasn't setup to handle that, in fact no government is able to withstand a 50/50 division. This is why when Jesus is King of the earth he will be a King. Which is the best rule. If you have a good king it's wonderful, if you have a bad king it's the worst. When Jesus does it, it will be perfect. What a wonderful hope we have!
Christians who study end-of-age-times known as end-times referring to the end of the age of grace (Church Age) know that America can't be "the" super-power if the bible is to be correct. That being said, these times of major division of America are not really a surprise.
Matthew 12:25 tells us what happens to a divided nation. I don't believe this will be "fixed" I think it's going to get worse and maybe end in the fall of America as we know it. I think the union will break up into smaller nations we have already heard so many calls for this.
So when you ask for proof, the Bible is my proof. I believe it tells us just what will happen. When a nation (people) goes corrupt the nation falls apart. This has happened time and time again. America is not immune to this. We are already seeing the effects of this.
Division has already created so many issues. Take the Oil issue. Because the EPA, environmentalist and Leaders in office who will not allow drilling of oil on our own land, this has giving a free ride to foreign nations. It also rips Americans of wealth and just out right hands it over to foreign nations. There is a limited amount of wealth in America and when it's gone… its gone. Because the people won't take a stand against the likes of the EPA, we have this problem. This single issue is powerful enough giving enough time to destroy America by itself. That's one issue of hundreds, you still think America as we know it will stand?
And we are debating if we should at least go in and check if Obama is a citizen at least? We are not even debating if he is or not, Your debating if we should even check it out!
My hope for America returning to her former Glory was lost because I do not trust that the American People will pick it up and stand strong again and I pray every day that God proves me wrong.
I think this is why we see the southern states gearing up to break out. Should the USA keep on it's track of going corrupt it just may be the best thing to happen. Only time will tell.
Listen, I have no problem with the idea of impeaching presidents who trample on the Constitution, and I agree that it shouldn’t be a question of Democrat or Republican; there’s plenty of corruption and double-dealing to go around. Not only is impeachment sometimes justified — it is the method prescribed in our Constitution, which makes it the right way to go if we wish to preserve our nation.
And that’s why I am disturbed by this stuff with LTC Lakin. He’s claiming to support the Constitution, but he is going about it through illegal means, and I cannot respect that. There is simply no justification for this man to disobey his orders regardless of his personal beliefs about the President’s eligibility — there are Constitutional ways to address that, and disobeying orders is not one of them. You won’t find a military lawyer saying anything different, I can assure you.
So that also gives me grave doubts about the foundation that claims to be supporting him. Did you read the Investigating Officer’s report in anticipation of the Article 32 hearing? He had very critical words to say about LTC Lakin’s civilian counsel, Paul Rolf Jensen, for failing to make appropriate legal arguments in his submissions. (“The Defense offers no legal support whatever for its position … As far as I have found, the position has no basis in the law.”)
This foundation is collecting money to pay Jensen to defend Lakin, and with Jensen offering “no legal support whatever” to his client, LTC Lakin is pretty sure to go to prison. To make matters worse, I have seen comments (not solid evidence, to be sure!) that the foundation is not entitled to claim that contributions to Lakin’s defense fund will be tax-deductible.
I understand the desire to remove Obama from office. I cannot condone the recommendations that it be done through illegal means, and I feel sorry tht
Each and every service man and woman has a duty to stand up in defense of the constitution. That's where Terry is coming from and he has a lot of support from names you wouldn't believe are with him. Many view what Terry has done, is what many in the military should do.
You have to remember today's military is voluntary. Nobody forced these men to do this, they take it up as Duty to Country. Remember these men are first Americans, then service men. A Christian would take that a step higher You follow the law of God first above all else. I'm not talking about the law of Moses, I'm talking about the Bible in general.
Where you see no justification for Terry to disobey his orders, he is first an American, and he see's Obama as an illegal president. If he believes that in his heart, by the constitution is it then his duty to do what he his doing.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." –Mark Twain
If it's shown this to be true to you, You I would put money on it, would join the cause. Am I correct? I have to say, You at least sound honest in what your trying to say. So sound like your at least looking at it from the perspective of law.
Listen, Terry didn't do this for himself. Terry is doing this because he believes in his heart that by his actions it will be forced that Obama show if he is legal or not by investigation.
I would think however you feel about the topic, you should at least support Terry because if he's wrong, Jail time. If Terry is correct he will have saved us from God knows what. We should never be against finding the Truth. That's all I'm saying and Terry is willing to put his life on the line to defend this country, even if that is from this country itself. I call that Honor and fulfilling his duty.
Americans will rally behind Terry, at least half the country will at some point. He already has large support. In my book it's Duty of Americans to support him to find the truth.
I hope that you will take a harder look at what is going on in this and see that there are Americans willing to put everything on the line in defense of this country. Terry isn't worried about Jail, have you been to a war zone? I haven't and won't pretend I have, nor want to. But Terry has, and Terry thinks if he's wrong Jail time would be the price worth paying to find out the truth. If he's right however, shame on any American who wouldn't support the Patriot. Mark Twain would of…
(sorry, cut off…)
…and I feel sorry that LTC Lakin is likely to be severely punished for pursuing a fight that he can’t possibly win — while someone else is making money off it.
Believe Luke 1:37 God loves to surprise people 😉
“If it’s shown this to be true to you, You I would put money on it, would join the cause.”
I’m not sure what you mean by this, but let me at least respond to what I think you’re saying: If it were shown to me that Pres. Obama is not constitutionally qualified to hold the office of the presidency, then I would be 100% in favor of removing him from office — through impeachment or any legal means.
But consider this. The group that is sponsoring Lakin is saying that it will require in excess of $500,000 to pay his legal fees. And yet, from a legal point of view, it is entirely a lost cause. Since the orders he disobeyed were valid even if Obama is ineligible (did you look up the “de facto officer doctrine”? — there’s really no legal doubt about it), what that means is that any evidence concerning eligibility is irrelevant to Lakin’s guilt or innocence, and it will not be admitted at the court-martial. That’s what the Investigating Officer ruled, at the same time making the point that no valid arguments to the contrary were offered.
If you want to convince people that Obama is ineligible, is this the best way to spend $500,000? Imagine all the evidence you could collect for that kind of money, all the expert witnesses you could get to verify it. I mean, let’s face it — doubts about Obama’s eligibility have been floating around since before the election. There’s been two years to nail this down. Maybe with $500,000 you could show that Orly Taitz’s Kenyan Birth Certificates are authentic? Or maybe you could have an expert clean up Neil Sankey’s list of Social Security numbers, which currently exists only in the form of raw data?
I mean, if you agree that impeachment is the answer — as I do — then why aren’t you using that money to put together a packet of evidence that will convince a couple of members of congress? That’s what it takes. If there is real evidence out there, why not get it together into some convincing form instead of having a lot of rumors circulating? After two years there ought to be more than rumors.
Raising that kind of money to provide an incompetent defense to someone who’s going about it in an illegal manner — well, it sounds fishy to me.
I meant only that, if you had some hope of Terry getting proof, one way or another that Obama is a natural born citizen or not, then you would support Terry's cause, but it sounds like you don't support it because you think it's hopeless.
$500,00? 2 Million, Doesn't matter it's a small price compared to the Trillions Obama has indebted my great grand-kids who are not even born yet too. Americans will give whatever is needed. I saw CSE Drdino.com raise 500k in only a few days and many then also thought it was impossible. As far as the money side of things if it's God's will it will seem like the money just comes out of no-where. You can't put limits on what God can do. I've seen it my own life many times. God has his ways, we don't need to worry about where this or that will come from. If it's God's Will, it will take place. If it is not, it won't. Simple as that. To God money is a silly thing that he has unlimited resources and humans will never understand that because we don't really understand what unlimited means. The point to this, in any thing God can make it happen. $500,000 isn't really that much money today and can be raised by only 1,000 people giving $500 dollars. If terry gets strong Christian support, you'd be surprised to see what kind of money Christians can come up with. (to me the money side of things is the smallest problem)
It might take time, it might take money, but you can know that no matter what the truth of this will come out at some point. You can't keep a lie like that hidden for very long without people finding out. If you don't believe me, Just ask the Jews and Hitler how long the camps could be hidden. Not very long at all. God has his ways.
My answer? If Obama is found to be an illegitimate president, he should be removed by force immediately. But knowing cowards i would think he'd run as soon as it was found out… Something about the tune of millions of Americans matching on DC would be enough to scare anyone to the bones.
Again it sounds like you have more doubts if they can do it then if it should be done. Listen my faith is in God, which ever way it goes, my faith is in God not in Terry Lakin or any other man for that matter. Man will never have solutions for the world's problems. And let's face it, 99% of Americans problems right now stem from the turning against God and Israel. Gen 12:3
God Bless